An email to a Mirzai website about Jesus

An email by a Muslim brother Mani to a Mirzai website.

Ur website says:-

Now, let us consider the question of the birth of Jesus in the natural way, that is, through the agency of a father.

Was Mary lying???or has ALLAH lied in Quran about her??? when she said 3:47:…O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me? (Also read 21:91 & 66:12)

 

What father(a man) r u talking about then???

 

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Then u say(u say it’s 6:102  while it’s 6:101 & 102):-

Let me quote just one verse of the Holy Qur’an where Allah, while rejecting the belief that He has a son, puts forward an argument regarding Himself. Allah says in the Holy Qur’an: Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth! How could He have a son when He has no consort? And He created everything and He is the Knower of all things (6:102). This means that as Allah has no consort He cannot have a son. Now if Allah needs a consort to have a son, how is it possible for Mary to have a son without the agency of a consort?

Arabic word used is “SAHIBAH”  which means a  “FEMALE”  consort  NOT just any consort.

So ALLAH do not beget a son because HE doesn’t have a      FEMALE       spouse.

Maryam(pbuh) was a FEMALE herself so she did NOT need another consort(MALE) to beget a son.

So begetting a son was possible for her because she was a FEMALE.

 

There have been a lot of cases where a FEMALE begets without a male intervension:-

1) Clonning of animals

2) many female plants bear fruits without pollination. BUT fruits is always on a FEMALE plant.

3) hermaphrodite rabbits have been shown by scientists to auto-fertilize themselves.

 

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Then ur site says:-

Now if Allah needs a consort to have a son, how is it possible for Mary to have a son without the agency of a consort? If we believe this, then in view of this verse of the Qur’an, Mary, may Allah forbid, is superior to Allah in this respect

So u r saying that if someone can do a thing that other can NOT do then first one becomes superior to other.

Again ur argument is base-less.  All animals have children. BUT ALLAH does NOT have any children does it make animals superior to ALLAH ????????               NO.

 

So Maryam does NOT become superior to ALLAH just because she had a child without a male consort while ALLAH cannot have a child without a female consort.

 

 

 

What this verse 6:101 signifies is that NO one can bear a child without a FEMALE consort.

BUT a FEMALE can definitely bear a child without  MALE.

 

There have been lots of cases where a FEMALE begets without a male intervension:-

1) Clonning of animals; no MALE consort involved, BUT FEMALE is a must.

2) many female plants bear fruits without pollination from MALE plant. BUT fruits is always on a FEMALE plant. So FEMALE is the prerequisite to bear a child, NOT a MALE.

3) hermaphrodite rabbits who had normal FEMALE genetalia & rudimentary male genetalia, have been shown by scientists to auto-fertilize themselves & became pregnant without a MALE intervention. So prerequissite is FEMALE body parts NOT male parts.

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then u say:-

The Qur’an says in 3:48: Rasulan ila Bani Israil (He was a prophet to the Children of Israel).

This is NOT 3:48 , rather it’s 3:49.  U seem to be in a hurry to develop a website. or may be u have made alterations in Quran that why verse numbers r different.!!!!

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Then u say:-

For instance, the Qur’an says: Everyone on this earth passes away (55:26), but some Muslims believe that Jesus is still alive in the heavens

 

Again no one is saying that Eesa will NOT die. All we say is that he will die after his 2nd coming. Here is Sahih Hadith:-

Abu-Dauwd:32:4310:- 
Narated By AbuHurayrah : The Prophet (pbuh) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (pbuh). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist(Daj-jaal) and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.

 

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Then u say:-

The Qur’an says in 3:48(wrong reference): Rasulan ila Bani Israil (He was a prophet to the Children of Israel). Muslims believe that in his second advent he will be the Imam of the Muslim ummah. Now, what will be the interpretation of this verse if Prophet Jesus should die as the Imam of the Muslim ummah?

Verses of Quran are NOT as something marooned in a desert or jungle. Try to read things in context:

These verses r telling the story when Angels were telling Maryam that her son would b a prophet to children of Israel. All this is talking of his FIRST coming. Notice the miracles being talked about r the ones Jesus did in his FIRST coming:-

 

[3:44]This is part of the tidings(news) of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Apostle!) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).[45]  Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God;[46]  “He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.”[47]  She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: God createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, ‘Be,’ and it is![48]  “And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,[49]  “And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “‘I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God’s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by God’s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;

So when he will come again these verses will pose NO problem because these r talking of his FIRST coming.

 

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u say:-

The Qur’an says: La-kir ra-sulal lahi wa khataman nabiyyin (Prophet Muhammad is the Seal of the Prophets) which means that there will be no prophet after him. Some Muslims believe that a former prophet, Jesus, is still to come.

 

Yes there will be NO prophet after Muhammad(pbuh)  &  Eesa(pbuh) in his 2nd coming will be a follower of Muhammad(NOT a new prophet; rather an implementor of Quran & Sunnah). Eesa(pbuh) will implement Quran & Sunnah of prophet Muhammad(pbuh):-

 

Sahih Bukhari:55:658:- Allah’s Apostle said “How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Qur’an  and  not by the law of Gospel (Fateh-ul Bari page 304 and 305 Vol 7)

 

 

Sahih Muslim:1:293:- I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: A section of my people will not cease fighting for the Truth and will prevail till the Day of Resurrection. He said: Jesus son of Mary would then descend and their (Muslims’) commander would invite him(Eesa) to come and lead them in prayer, but he would say: No, some amongst you are commanders over some. This is the honour from Allah for this Ummah.

Muslim:7:2877:- I heard Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) as narrating from Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) who said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life. Ibn Maryam (Jesus Christ) would certainly pronounce Talbiya for Hajj or for Umra or for both (simultaneously as a Qiran) In the valley of Rauha

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u say:-

“The Qur’an quotes the prophecy of Prophet Jesus in these words: I give good news of a messenger who will come after me, his name being Ahmad (61:6). Now, if Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is still alive then either the prophecy about the coming of Prophet Ahmad after Jesus has not yet been fulfilled as Prophet Jesus is still alive, or if Prophet Muhammad has come, then Jesus must have died”

Jesus did NOT say that a prophet will come after my DEATH”.

If Bill Clinton becomes president of USA & says that after him Bush will come, does it mean that Clinton has to die first & only then Bush will be able to come???      NO.

Similarly when Jesus said “AFTER me”  it does NOT mean AFTER his death, it just means AFTER  his  appearance in world  &  AFTER start of his prophethood.

There have been more than one prophets in world, at a time, like Mosa & Haroon. Then why can’t Eesa be ALIVE while Muhammad comes into world???

Sahih Muslim:30:5810:- he heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I am Muhammad and I am Ahmad, and I am al-Mahi (the obliterator) by whom unbelief would be obliterated, and I am Hashir (the gatherer) at whose feet mankind will be gathered, and I am ‘Aqib (the last to come) after whom there will be no Prophet.

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u say:-

Abdullah Yusuf Ali has given both views about the verse. But the so-called ulama of the Muslim ummah are so obsessed with the idea of keeping Jesus alive in heaven that they could not tolerate even the mentioning of the other view and on this score vehemently criticised him.

If u believe in Quran as from ALLAH then u must also believe in Eesa being ALIVE as in following verses it’s very clear that before DEATH of Jeusus  all  people-of-book would have believed in him, which is NOT the case as  yet. So it means that he has NOT died  yet.

When all people-of-book will believe in him only then he will be able to die.Since, today a lots of Jews etc. do NOT believe in Jesus, it means that he has NOT died. It’s simple.

[4:157]That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) know ledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-[158]  Even(بَل), God raised him up unto Himself(إِلَيْهِ); and God is Exalted in Power, Wise;-[159]  And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them

Isn’t it very clear that “surely they kill him not rather God raised him towards Himself”

& Since lots of Jews today do NOT believe in Jesus, it means that he has NOT died. It’s simple. & DEATH means taking soul away from body, So his soul has NOT been taken away from his body.

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u quote Muhammad Asad saying:-

Whenever the act of raf’ (elevating) of a human is attributed to God, the verb raf‘ahu, meaning he raised him or elevated him, always means, honouring or exalting

Whenever“, “Always“??? an open lie about Quran.

Act of “Raf” is used in physical elevation & raising as under:-

Skies raises/elevated:-13:2, 52:5, 55:7, 79:28, 88:18

Elevated Throne:- 12:100, 18:31, 56:34, 88:13

Foundations of Kabba elevated:- 2:127

Idris(pbuh) elevated to(Makanan Aaaliyyaan)  a higher physical place(may be in world or in heavens):- 19:57

Height or physical elevation of Mt. Sinai:- 2:63, 2:93, 4:154. 

 

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2 responses to “An email to a Mirzai website about Jesus

  1. The Qur’an is very clear yet the Ahmedis fail to understand this simple fact. Consider the following verses:

    Remember when the wife of ‘Imran said: “My Lord, I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service]. Please accept my prayer. You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.”
    (Qur’an, 3:35)

    The Arabic word used for “consecrated” is muharraran, means “one who is wholly preoccupied with the Hereafter, who has no business with the world, who worships God at all times, who is in the service of the House of God, who is sincere in his or her worship and, who has no worldly intentions in his or her worship.

    This clearly proves that Lady Marium (may Allah be pleased with Her) had no worldly affairs and this allegation of no virginity contradicts this Ayat and is nothing less than a disgrace by the Mirzais.

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