Rebuttal: Was Jesus Christ really crucified?

A Christian by the name of Joh has sent me the following material in an attempt to refute the article “Was Jesus Christ really crucified?”

You can point out some meaningless inerrancies in the crucifixion story all you want. But deny the fact the Josephus (the single greatest Jewish historian) affirms that Jesus was crucified by the Romans.

Muslim response:

 A Jewish historian?

Perhaps you didn’t read the Qur’anic verse well. This is what the Jews said and they will say this because this is the only or main reason why the Jews reject Jesus. According to the Old Testament, he cannot be killed and therefore, the alleged murder of Jesus disqualifies him.

Christian wrote:

Freind, Jesus spoke about his death and resurrection atleast a dozen times before it happens.
It was written by Isiah the Prophet 700 years before this happens .Read Isaiah 53.
And his crucifixion and resurrection were all prophesied in Psalms amd other books of the Bilble.The beginning of your post itself proves that those are not the words spoke by God.

Muslim Response:

Jesus will definitely die when he returns and he will be resurrected with all of us on the day of resurrection.

As for Isaiah 53, a former Christian has explained it very well:

http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/isaiah53crucres.html

As for the prophecies in Psalm, there is not a single prophecy that speaks of his death:

First of all Hebrews 5:7 also says that Jesus was saved from death.

“Lo, My servant doth act wisely, He is high, and hath been lifted up, And hath been very high. (From Young’s Literal Translation Bible, Isaiah 52:13)”

This is just what the Quran says, Jesus was raised up alive to heaven by God and he will return very soon.

Psalm 91:

3 Surely he will save you …

4 He will cover you …

5 You will not fear …

8 You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked.

(According to the Noble Quran and the original writings of the Disciples of Jesus, Jesus was not crucified, and he watched the crucifixion of the doomed person).

10 then no harm will befall you…

11 For he will command his angels concerning you
to guard you in all your ways;

12 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

(If Jesus died on the cross and got buried, then his feet would’ve struck the ground and the stones on it from bringing him down, throwing him on the floor and burying him).

14 “Because he loves me,” says the LORD, “I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

So we see that Jesus has been saved!

Also read Psalm 22,88 and Isaiah 42-54.

Christian wrote:

Do You Think Jesus Lied About His Death?
Jesus spoke about His own sufferings ,crucifixion death and rsurrection atleast a dozen times before it happened.Listen To These Scriptues-:
“Destroy this temple ,and I will raise it up in three days..”John;2:19.It was during his first visit to Jerusalem with the disciples ..[The Jews thought it was about the Temple building which took forty six years to complete.]

As Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert so the son of man must be lifted up.”.John;3:14,15.[Moses made a bronze serpent in the desert and lifted it up on a pole so that those who were bitten by the snakes look up to it and live.Likewise Jesus was raised on the cross so that a dying sinner could look up to the cross and live]

“But none will be given ,except the sign of Jonah. For as Jonah was in the belly of a fish three days and three nights so the son of man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights..” Mathew;12:39,40.[Prophet Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites by being in the belly of a fish Jesus also was buried in the earth and came out alive after three days]

“”The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.”Luke;9;22.

“”The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life.”Mathew;17;22,2.

“”We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!”Mathew;20;17-19[ While he was getting ready for the last journey to Jerusalem.]

“In any case, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day–for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!”Luke;13;33.[ This Jesus spoke on the way to Jerusalem when some people came and told him that king Herod was seeking to kill him]

“You know after two days passover is coming and the son of man will be delivered up to be crucified “Mathew;26;2 [Two days before crucifixion .Jesus died as the passover lamb]
“You will all fall away because of me tonight but after I am raised up I will go before you to Galilee”Mathew;26:31,32[ Few hours before Jesus was arrested]
‘Behold the hour is at hand ,The son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.Rise let us be giong,see my betrayer is at hand..”Mathew ;26:42.[ Just few minutes before he gives up himself to be crucified]

AMAZING FACTS ABOUT THE CROSS OF JESUS CHRIST !
“This was written a thousand years before the birth of Jesus. When David wrote this, the method of crucifixion was unknown to the world.Crucifixion was introduced as a method of execution by the Romans thousand years later. No one pierced the hands and feet of David who wrote this Psalm as we read here.David being a prophet was prophesying concerning the death of the Messiah who was to be executed this way. This came true in Jesus’life when he was hanging nailed to the cross and being mocked cruelly by the people who surrounded him..
Another amazing prophecy we see in Psalm 16.It is about the resurrection of Jesus from the dead.”You will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay.” Psalm; 16;9,10 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet.” Psalm;22
David who wrote these words died and saw corruption.His tomb is in Jerusalem to this day.But Jesus whom God raised from the dead did not see decay,His body did not remain in the grave either just as it was written in this Psalm
God did not forsake Jesus only to die on the cross.Neither did he leave him in the grave to see corruption. But God the Father raised Jesus from the dead and made him seated at the right hand of His throne in heaven.In another Psalm we read about this exaltation of Jesus Christ by God. “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”110;1
1. Jesus Christ died and rose again according to the scriptures.Everything about him was written before he comes into the world.Where he is going to be born.From which family he is to come.His miraculous birth,sufferings death resurrection -all these things were written by the prophets before his birth.,

Muslim Response:

Jesus did not lie about his no death!

[The Jews thought it was about the Temple building which took forty six years to complete.]

[Moses made a bronze serpent in the desert and lifted it up on a pole so that those who were bitten by the snakes look up to it and live.Likewise Jesus was raised on the cross so that a dying sinner could look up to the cross and live]

Two very strange interpretations!
I have explained above that he did not die and therefore, these interpretations are false.

Sign of Jonah has been explained above. Jonah was alive and so was Jesus! It shows that you are not reading and are just replying without knowledge. I have included all these points in the original article and I have quite an experience on debates and therefore, it includes all of it.

Son of man betrayed?
Maybe that was what the disciples thought but Hebrews 5:7 says otherwise and also the prophecies in OT speak otherwise!

“You know after two days passover is coming and the son of man will be delivered up to be crucified “Mathew;26;2

Delvered and not actually crucified! God raised him up alive before that as mentioned in the Quran and OT.

“Lo, My servant doth act wisely, He is high, and hath been lifted up, And hath been very high. (From Young’s Literal Translation Bible, Isaiah 52:13)”

This is just what the Quran says, Jesus was raised up alive to heaven by God and he will return very soon.

Psalm 91:

3 Surely he will save you …

4 He will cover you …

5 You will not fear …

8 You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked.

(According to the Noble Quran and the original writings of the Disciples of Jesus, Jesus was not crucified, and he watched the crucifixion of the doomed person).

10 then no harm will befall you…

11 For he will command his angels concerning you
to guard you in all your ways;

12 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

(If Jesus died on the cross and got buried, then his feet would’ve struck the ground and the stones on it from bringing him down, throwing him on the floor and burying him).

14 “Because he loves me,” says the LORD, “I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

So we see that Jesus has been saved!

The Five Gospels,” is a 550 page book containing translations of the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. It was the result of a six year study by 24 Christian scholars from a number of Western universities. They decided to produce a translation of the Gospels which would be uncolored by the translator’s personal faith. It was decided that this translation was to give the reader an honest picture of what Jesus truly said. They scanned the text for the words of Jesus, and collect an index of over 1,500 such sayings.

They then tested the validity of each of these sayings, one at a time, to see whether Jesus truly said each one. They then produced a fresh translation, color-coded to show authentic Jesuit sayings and those of an unreliable nature.

Their conclusion (page 5) was:

Eighty-two percent of the words ascribed to Jesus in the gospels were not actually spoken by him.”

They go on to reveal that:

“biblical scholars and theologians alike have learned to distinguish the Jesus of history from the Christ of faith. It has been a painful lesson for both the church and scholarship. The distinction between the two figures is the difference between a historical person who lived in a particular time and place…and a figure who has been assigned a mythical role, in which he descends from heaven to rescue humankind and, of course, eventually returns there.”

Some of the sources demonstrated by the authors are:

The concept of plagiarism was unknown in the ancient world. Authors freely copied from predecessors without acknowledgment. Sages became the repository of free-floating proverbs and witticisms. For the first Christians, Jesus was a legendary sage: it was proper to attribute the world’s wisdom to him. The proverb in Mark 2:17, for example, is attested in secular sources (Plutarch and Diogenes for example)…in the parallel to the Markan passage, Matthew adds a sentence taken from the prophet Hosea (Matt 9:13).”

Also:

“Hard sayings are frequently softened in the process of transmission to adapt them to the conditions of daily living…Variations in difficult saying often betray the struggle of the early Christian community to interpret or adapt sayings to its own situations… Matthew’s version of the aphorism “The last will be first and the first last”(Matt 20:16) is softened in Mark 10:31 to “MANY of the first will be last, and of the last MANY will be first”.”

And probably most revealing:

“Christian conviction eventually overwhelms Jesus: he is made to confess what Christians had come to believe…The contrast between Christian language or viewpoint and the language or viewpoint of Jesus is a very important clue to the real voice of Jesus, the language of Jesus was distinctive, as was his style and perspective.”

5 responses to “Rebuttal: Was Jesus Christ really crucified?

  1. What about Mark 10:32-34

    32 And they were in the way going up to Jerusalem; and Jesus went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. And he took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things should happen unto him, 33 Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles: 34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

  2. Actually, the Bible has many stories about the crucifixion. If you open the topic “Was Jesus Christ really crucified?”, you will see another story and all stories contradict each other.

    Hebrews 5:7 clearly says that he was saved from death. Contradictions show that these people were making these stories up. The truth is what Peter narrated in “Apocalypse of Peter” and what Barnabas narrated in “Gospel of Barnabas”.

  3. Assalamu Alaikkum, Regarding The very first paragraph

    //You can point out some meaningless inerrancies in the crucifixion story all you want. But deny the fact the Josephus (the single greatest Jewish historian) affirms that Jesus was crucified by the Romans.//

    A historian commenting on Josephus’ mention of the crucifixion:
    “THIS PASSAGE WAS PROBABLY A LATE THIRD CENTURY INSERTION.” (Daniel T Unterbrink – Judas The Galilean – iUniverse, 2004 – Page 6).

    Also:

    “JOSEPHUS NEVER MENTIONED THE LIFE OR DEATH OF JESUS. This sentiment is supported by a Christian apologist, Paul Johnson. “Josephus undoubtedly wrote about Jesus, but presumable in an unfavorable sense for all copied of his manuscript went through Christian control at some stage, JOSEPHUS’S ACTUAL WORDS WERE CENSORED AND AN AUDULTORY PASSAGE WAS INSERTED.”
    (Paul Johnson, Civilizations of the Holy Land, Page 123 – Quote Cited From: Ibid – Page 136, Reference Cited From Ibid, Page 272).

    “In regard to Josephus, a Jewish historian who wrote during the first century, there is a section in his Antiquities of the Jews (18.63-64) where he discusses Jesus, including the information that he was crucified by Pilate and then raised from the dead. Josephus also calls Jesus the Messiah. Writing in the third century, Origen – – who, despite his later problems with the orthodox church, is universally considered a conscientious historian of the church – is clear that there is no mention of Jesus in Josephus. IT IS NOT UNTIL THE FOURTH CENTURY THAT BISHOP EUSEBIUS APPEARS WITH THE NEW VERSION OF JOSEPHUS’S WRITINGS. THE SCHOLARS WE SURVEYED AGREED THAT THIS SECTION IS A FORGERY, and they tend to date it to some point in time between Origen and Eusebius, or even to Eusebius himself.”
    (Joyce Higginbotham, River Higginbotham – ChristoPaganism: An Inclusive Path – Llewellyn Worldwide, 2009 – Page 82).

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    For more on its authenticity :
    http://truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm

    Also refer to pg no 86 on wards :
    http://books.google.com/books?id=IROnfpqd3aoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=who+was+jesus+murdock&hl=en&src=bmrr&ei=NA3DTZLoB7TXiAKjj7iHAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CEYQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=titus%20flavius%20josephus&f=false

  4. Your whole blog is blasphemous! You will pay for your hatred by God! This was Gods own remedy for sin by sending Jesus. You fools and blind guides!

    • In Matthew 5:22, Jesus (may God Almighty bless him) says:

      And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

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