Rebuttal: Jesus is not God

A Christian by the name of Joh has attempted to refute the fact that Jesus is not God or the son of God. It is posted below followed by my rebuttal:

If u say JESUS is not the son of God.. whom is He refering to as father here…and why is He calling HIM father..

“My Father is greater than I.”
[John 14:28]

“My Father is greater than all.”
[John 10:29]

Muslim Response:

The New KJV Bible does not call Jesus as the son of God but calls him as the servant of God.

The Greek word “pais” can mean son and also servant. They use servant. Due to this fact, the father is actually Lord. If you read the above explanation, it explains how the original language word Lord can easily be read as father.

Christian said:

Why Would Anyone Want To Follow Mohammad When The Holy Bible Says That God Has Sent His Son As The Savior Of The World?
Mohammad did not die on the cross for the sins of the mankind but Jesus did.
Mohammad is not from above.But Jesus came down from heaven.God sent him..
No one knew nothing about Mohammad before his birth.But the scriptures were filled with the prophecies concerning different aspects of Christ’s life and all were waiting for him.
God did not say Mohammad was His son.But He spoke from heaven about Jesus, “This is My beloved Son.”
Mohammad did not come to save the world.But God sent Jesus Christ as the Savior of the world.
Mohammad cannot give eternal life to any one.But Jesus said,”He who believes in me has everlasting life.”John;6:47
Mohammad cannot make people children of God But,”As many as received Jesus to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: [John;1:12]
Mohammad cannot raise the dead But the voice of Jesus will bring all the dead out of their graves.He said,”I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.” John;11:25 Mohammad did not say that he could do all the things God did. But Jesus did.
Mohammad could not do the works Jesus did. He could not speak the words Jesus spoke.
Mohammad did not give up his life and take it back as Jesus did.
When Mohammad died he did not come out of his grave on the third day and say,”I have the keys of death and Hades.”But Jesus did and he sat down at the right hand of the throne of God in heaven.
Mohammad is dead and gone but Jesus is alive.Before He leaves the world Jesus announced what he would do after his death.
No one saw Mohammad after he died but Jesus rose again and appeared to his disciples and promised he would be always with them.
Mohammad is not the way to God.But Jesus is the way and the truth and the life and he said,”No one comes to the Father [God the Father] but by me.” John;14:6
Mohammad does not and cannot give the Holy Spirit.But Jesus went to heaven and sent the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the giver of the Holy Spirit. [see Joel 2 and acts 2]
Angels do not worship Mohammad.But all the angels in heaven worship Jesus.
Jesus is Lord . Mohammad is not
Mohammad will not appear as King of kings and Lord of lords But Jesus will reign on earth.
Mohammad is not going to judge the world but Jesus will Judge both the living and the dead.
“At the Name of Jesus every knee shall bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth.And every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord.

Friend, Easy way to find out Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God is simple.
Because the Holy Bible says ” Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.”psalm;2;12
And alo “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.”John;3;36

It is that simple.You don’t have to go for a lot of research to do that.

You believed what allah said,that is what the problem is.Although Allah means God allah in the Koran is not the true God.Allah needs to meet cetain standards to be qualified as God Almighty.
He has to say about Jesus Christ,”This is my beloved Son.”
He has to raise and exalt Jesus from the dead and seat him on his throne in heaven saying,”sit at my right hand.”Allah didn’t do this”He is not God.You are deceived.

Jinnah is not the founder of Mexico.
Gandhi did not live in Germany.
Budha didn’t teach communism.
Nor do the communists follow Budha’s teachings.
Hitler did not preach ahimsa.
Bush is not the president of China.
London is not the capital of Indonesia.
Einstein did not teach Economics.
Tibet is not in Pacific ocean.
Peter.John and Paul did not walk with Mohammad.
So Koran is not the book to look for Jesus.
Read Gospels there you find Real Jesus-His life and teachings.Does that make sense ?

Muslim response:

Why follow Muhammad?

The Bible says so. See the main page of this blog for proof plus one more point is posted below for you:

1) “… “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Eli’jah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you …”
Matthew 16:13-17

2) “And this is the testimony of John. When the Jews from Jerusalem sent priests and Levites (to him) to ask him, “Who are you?” he admitted and did not deny it, but admitted, “I am not the Messiah.” So they asked him, “What are you then? Are you Elijah?” And he said, “I am not.” “Are you THE PROPHET?” He answered, “No.””
John 1:19-21

3) “Some in the crowd who heard these words said, “This is truly the Prophet.” Others said, “This is the Messiah.” But others said, “The Messiah will not come from Galilee, will he? Does not scripture say that the Messiah will be of David’s family and come from Bethlehem, the village where David lived?” So a division occurred in the crowd because of him.”
John 7:40-43

Here we see that the Jews were waiting for three people.
1) Elijah – John the Baptist
2) Massiah – Jesus
3) The Prophet – Muhammad

You asked as to why you would want to follow Muhammad. I say that to complete your faith, you have to follow him. You have accepted two of the three, how about accepting the last one as well?

Jesus is a son of God?

Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called sons of God.

This way, anyone can be a son. Jesus did not die on the cross, see the relevant topic for that.

Jesus is beloved son! The new KJV Bible uses the word servant instead of son.

Jesus raised people from the dead?

Very true but he did it byt he will of God. Remember he says that not my will but the will of God and he also says in another place that what he does is from God?

We are not here to compare the two personalities. The Quran tells us not to differentiate between Prophets. Each Prophet had a different role, some were filled with miracles and some taught a way of life and acted upon it. Prophets are messengers of God and they do just that.

No one goes to God but through Jesus?

Very true and Islam also tells us the same thing. No Muslim can go to heaven if he disbelieves in Jesus or any Prophet.

I am the way – Jesus has brought a message and it is the way.

I am the truth – Yes, Jesus is the truth and whatever he says is the truth.

I am the life – Very true, a rejector of Jesus is not eligible for heaven.

You further went on with several comparisons to which I will not reply. Comparing is not useful at all. Each Prophet had a different function or role and they fulfilled it.

Please see the first page of this blog for the evidences that the last Prophet of the Bible is Muhammad.Jesus is the son of God?

That would make more than one God and thus polythiesm.

The immutability of God (that He does not change) is clearly taught throughout Scripture in countless passages. For example,
in Malachi 3:6 God affirms,
“I the Lord do not change.”
(See also Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Isaiah 46:9-11; Ezekiel 24:14.)

Begetting a son is definitely changing!

The Bible is very clear that God does not change, neither His mind, His will, nor His nature.
God is eternal and exists outside of the constraints of time (Psalm 33:11; Psalm 41:13; Psalm 90:2-4; John 17:5; 2 Timothy 1:9).

Numbers 23:19 is very clear, “God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind. Does He speak and then not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?”

” And this is life eternal, that they might know You the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.” John 17:3

God and Jesus are different.

Muslims believe in the Absolute Oneness of God, Who is a Supreme Being free of human limitations, needs and wants. He has no partners in His Divinity. He is the Creator of everything and is completely separate from His creation.

“And behold! Allah will ask Jesus on the DAY OF JUDGEMENT: O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, Take me(Jesus) and my mother for two gods beside Allah? He will say: Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
Holy Quran

Prophet Jesus is Indeed God’s servant like any another Messenger, but not a Begotten Son

“Behold my servant(Jesus), whom I(God) have chosen.”-
[Matthew 12:18]

“The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, hath glorified his servant Jesus.”-
[Acts 3:13] (RSV)

“For of a truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hast anointed….”-
[Acts 4:27] (RSV)

“Say He is God, the One and Only God, the Eternal, Absolute. He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him!” Qur’an 112:1-4

“So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again) “Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, “Be”, and it is.”-
Quran -19:33-35

“Jesus appeared before the eleven disciples after getting hanged on the cross. ‘Peace be with you’. They were startled and terrified, and thought that they were seeing a ghost. Jesus said to them why are you frightened, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? Look at my hands and at my feet: see that it is I myself. Touch me and see, for a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”.Thereafter, Jesus asked for something to eat and in their presence ate a piece of broiled fish (and an honey comb).
Luke 24: 41-42.

This shows, the “awakened” Jesus was really hungry for he had missed several of his meals…
Luke 24: 36-39

Please see this for details:

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/messianic-jews/

All my explanations are from the Bible itself, I am just posting the verses from the Quran to show you the similarity between the parts you ignore and we believe.

Is Allah the same God?

I think that after this above explanation, it is correct to say that Jesus was a Muslim, a human Prophet of God just like all other Prophets.

Please see the main page of the blog for other useful and interesting articles.

God willing, I will update this page of Jesus being a Muslim very soon with more evidences from the Bible.

Another Christian by the name of Tent has continued with the points of Joh:

unlike other religious books the words in the Bible are alive and powerful.It works on people on a daily basis.They come as the words of the most powerful king.
Please read these words.

“Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.”Revelation;2;16
“But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.”Revelation;3;4

“He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.
A man who remains stiff-necked after many rebukes.”will suddenly be destroyed—without remedy.”Proverbs;29;1
“Anyone who says no to the Son will not have life. God’s anger remains on him.” John;3;36
” Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment.Blessed are all who take refuge in him.”psalm;2;12

Joh said:

I read King James And the New King James every day.[KJV and NKJV]
These say Jesus Christ is God.
“But what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
“John;5;19 KJV , NKJV
Mohammad didn’t say he could do whatever God did.But Jesus did.
Why the disciples worship Jesus?
Because they saw His glory as the glory of the Son of God.Read-
“We beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)full of grace and truth.”
John;1;14 [KJV and NKJV]
Now the disciples did not say this about John the baptist eventhough he was a great prophet.
No one say this about Mohammad.
Mohammad never called God ,Father.But Jesus always called Him My Father,”

‘And we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
“The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”John;1;1-14

Did Jesus Claim He Was God ? Jesus said he could do all the things God the Father did.No man,not even the prophets or patruarchs could ever say something like this.But Jesus said “Whatever the Father does the Son also does.” John;5;19 Then Jesus said,”For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.”John;5;21 No man can do this.Jesus said.”I and the Father are One.”John;10;30 “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.” John;14;9 Lord Jesus told his disciples that where two or three are gathered in His Name he will be in their midst.Mathew;18 Then Jesus said ” I am with you always,Even to the end of the age.”Mathew;28 No human being can be present many different places at the same time.This proves Jesus is God.No poltical leaders or kings or great men ever promised their families or nation that after their departure from the world they will be still be with them.But Lord Jesus promised that.This proves the divinityof Jesus.When the High Priest asked Jesus;”Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!” Jesus said to him, “Hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”Mathew;26;63,64 What Jesus said was that after the resurrection he would sit on the throne of God in heaven.Now listen to some of the words Jesus himself spoke.”For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.”John;3;16,17 When Jesus got out of water after baptism a voice was heard from heaven saying;”This is my well beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.”Mathew;3;17 This was God the Father testifying concerning His Son.Yes Jesus said he was God.Jesus Christ was God in human form.His disciples worshiped him as God for this reason.

Allah Didn’t Do This But God In Heaven Did !
In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

29Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”Luke;1;26-32
God did this to fulfill what he spoke through Prophet Isaiah.
“The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and [d] will call him Immanuel.”Isaiah;7;14

Why Allah Speak Against God ?
God in the heaven sent Angel Gabriel to Mary to speak this about Jesus like this.
“The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”Luke;1;35
Later God spoke from heavenabout Jesus saying-“This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.”Mathew;3
Later God raised Jesus from the dead and exalted him to his right hand in heaven saying.’Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”
Psalm;110;1
When God did all these according to what he foretold through all his prophets how come this Allah says Jesus is not the Son of God and he was not crucified and all that?

Muslim Response:

Tent:

“Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.”Revelation;2;16
“But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.”Revelation;3;4

Examine this verse carefully, it tells man to repent and not to believe in free salvation. Cross does not eliminate sins but repentance does. It reminds me of a beautiful verse from the Bible:

“For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of G-d, rather than burnt offerings.”
Hosea 6:6

“Anyone who says no to the Servant will not have life. God’s anger remains on him.”
John;3;36

” Kiss the Servant, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment.Blessed are all who take refuge in him.”
psalm;2;12

King James and New King James.

They might say one thing but then they contradict others.

However you must be aware that the word Trinity is nowhere in the Bible. One verse came very close which was that there are three that bear record in the heaven, father, word, holy ghost and these three are one.

This verse was rejected by the highest christian scholars as being a lie, a fabrication, a later insertion.

Jesus was selected as God by Constantine and his gang of Gospel writers!

“We beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)full of grace and truth.”
John;1;14 [KJV and NKJV]

The christian scholars have thrown the word begotten to beloved. See the above material. The disciples never worshipped Jesus. They worshipped God just like Jesus did. Once a man came to Jesus and said Good master, what should I do to go to heaven? Jesus replied that why do you call me good? Only good is God and he tells the man to keep the commandment but sadly the christians have thrown them away.

Jesus says that think not that I have come to destroy the law or the Prophets and if anyone breaks the least of it shall not enter heaven. Paul is a corrupter plus constantine has done much damage as well.

See the first page of this blog for information on Constantine from the Bible’s prophecies.

Jesus never called as father, it was just the Constantine’s writer or writers!

See the above material for a list of begotten sons of God. They do not mean literally. This usage of words is just Greek culture and not Jesus who wasn’t a Greek.

Was Jesus God?

“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Lord which hath sent me.”
[John 5:30]

Father and I are one?

In the OT, God says to Moses, ye are god. Abraham’s wife calls him my lord.

In the upper room, Jesus says to the 11 disciples that we are one. Then you should believe in the concept of Fourteenity!

I am with you always?
Whatever you do I am with you – This means that I support you.

Jesus will always be with them?
He is with me, in my heart!

You quoted many verses with the son word. I again use the word servant because there are dozens of sons in the Bible. See the list above in the article.

Mary?

The Quran has a complete chapter on her whereas in the Bible, Jesus calls her as “woman” on the wine and water occasion.

Chapter 19 in the Quran is on Mary.

As for the Isaiah 7 thing, see the main page of this blog for a complete article as to who it is about. It is about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Allah did not speak against God. Constantine and his pagan writers spoke against Allah, the God!

3 responses to “Rebuttal: Jesus is not God

  1. JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD HE IS THE LIVING GOD HE IS THE ONLY SON OF GOD WHO DIED FOR OUR SINS , JESUS IS OUR SAVIOUR

    This is the only reply u would get from any Trinitarian…

  2. Challenge to Trinitarian

    1-Can you bring me the Passage where Jesus says I am God

    2-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus said God is three in One

    3-Can you bring me the verse where Jesus claims to have dual natures i.e. fully man and fully God

  3. Please note that this article is a direct discussion with two Christians on Orkut and has been copy/pasted here as it is.

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