Buddhist objections (part 3)

Buddhist: Buddhism teaches abt rebirth but islam dont give any hint of that

Muslim: Buddhism doesn’t teach about rebirth, this is a manmade concept. It only talks about a life after death and does not talk about continuous death and birth.

Buddhist: Buddhism teaches,
1. Right View Wisdom
2. Right Intention
3. Right Speech Ethical Conduct
4. Right Action
5. Right Livelihood
6. Right Effort Mental Development
7. Right Mindfulness
8. Right meditation(vipassana)

Islam doesn’t teach these.

Muslim: Open the links again, you will see that Prophet Muhamad pbuh taught a lot more than just 8 points. His teachings contain the 8 points plus alot more.

There is not a single religion that doesn’t teach these things. Even Hinduism teaches these things. Infact, hindus claim that Buddhism has copied these from them.

Buddhist: if muslim believes in buddhist concept of evil and good ,then they must also believe each and every concept of buddhism and so must also believe concept of rebirth and non exis tence of soul

Muslim: Sorry, Buddhism does not agree with this nonsense.

Buddhist: at last time on buddhas just moment b4 death,ananda did grieve saying that it was too early to buddha to attain parinibaana then buddha did say to ananda that he has taught wat ever he discovered , he told every thing he knew there is nothing left for the exhalted one to say

Muslim: Absolutely, there is nothing left for Buddha to say but the man to come will definitely teach a lot that Buddha doesn’t know.

Buddhism was only for those people for that time and for that time Buddha had nothing more to say.

Buddhist: buddhist teaching is all abt

sila-Ethical Conduct

samadhi-Wisdom meditation

pragnya-Mental Development insights

and nothing such is in islam

Muslim: I challenge you to point out a single religion that doesn’t have these teachings other than jungle paganism. The Sunnah of the Prophet provide a complete way of life, that way of life is far greater than what anyone has ever taught, open the links provided to see what they contain. All 8 points are contained in all religions and there is nothing special about these points. Tell me one religion that does not contain these 8 points.

Buddhist: first of all u said that rebirth is mAN MADE CONCEPT AND gotama buddha never taught abt it to us

ppl will laugh at u if u say it in public

buddha taught the concept of nirvana ,nirvana is nothing but blowing out of cycle of rebirth

and how can u say that buddha did not teach nirvana

the whole jatakas r based on concept of rebirth http://www.buddhanet.net/bt_intro.htm

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/ambedkar_buddha/04_02.html#01_01

check this from Alagaddupamma-Sutta of tripitakas buddha talking about rebirth

and also these of rebirth http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/nyanatiloka/wheel394.html#ch2
from the buddhist scriptures
and also look at wat is rebirth and rebirth of whome

Muslim: Just like Hinduism, Buddhism also believes in the concept of rebirth but nowhere does it talk about being born and dying seven times. Islam also believes in rebirth but only once.

Buddhist: the rebirth in hinduism is through transmigaration of soul

where as buddhism not only denies existence of soul but also denies transmigaration of soul

the rebirth in buddhism is without transmigaration of soul

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00ambedkar/ambedkar_buddha/03_04.html#04

and yes it talks abt continuous rebirth after death

buddhist term of enlightment m erely means blowing outt of that cycle

i ve given u jataka http://web.ukonline.co.uk/buddhism/jataka.htm

u can check if u want

Muslim: Here is a point from the link.
The soul is unknown and unseen

This does not mean that there is no soul. It is only unknown and unseen.

The link that you provided does notcontain your claim of 7 births and deaths.

Buddhist: buddhas teaching is fitted to every culture
every life style
every generation

b cos buddhas teaching is not speculation
buddhas teachings r not revealation
buddhas teachings r not imagination
buddhas teachings are practical
buddhas teachings dhamma(laws of nature)

Muslim: How does it suit everyone? All he says is to meditate, to leave the world, go to mountain top, leave marriage, leave the world, don’t eat good etc etc.

Most of it are imagination and incomplete. For example, in the link above it says that the soul is unknown and unseen, then how come you are saying that Buddha knew everything and taught everything that was meant to be taught?

Buddhist: b cos buddhas teaching is not speculation
buddhas teachings r not revealation
buddhas teachings r not imagination
buddhas teachings are practical
buddhas teachings dhamma(laws of nature)

u ve further said

How does it suit everyone? All he says is to meditate, to leave the world, go to mountain top, leave marriage, leave the world, don’t eat good etc etc.

Most of it are imagination and incomplete. For example, in the link above it says that the soul is unknown and unseen, then how come you are saying that Buddha knew everything and taught everything that was meant to be taught?

every one can meditate irrespective of caste , coustoms , traditions ,creed ,sex and age

does he say to leave the world
thats not true either , i believe you are thinking that buddhism is only for monks thats not at all true ,buddha never ask every one to leave the world

go to mountain top , i really dont know who told u this

leave marriage , thats only 4 monks not to lay person

Muslim: The link that you gave about the soul is not supported by references from Buddhist scriptures, this is the writers thought. Had Buddha said it himself, then it would have been different. Continue to read forward, there are many contradictions. The writer first says, no soul and then continues to describe it somehow.

every one can meditate irrespective of caste , coustoms , traditions ,creed ,sex and age

To meditate the way Buddha wants you to, you have to leave the daily affairs. This is not at all practical.

The points about not marrying are only for monks. Monks are supposed to be better people than the rest. So this argument leaves the conclusion that the present people in the world are all unclean, filthy etc as they all marry and are product of marriage. If good people don’t marry, then good is supposed to end.

Detachment Within Activity or right concentration.

Hindus also meditate, so do people of all religions. Hindus meditate the same way as Buddhists, actually they claim that Buddhism took the meditation from them. This feature is present in all religions.

Buddhist: in the Cakkavatti-Sihanada Sutta (DN 26; The Lion’s Roar on the Turning of the Wheel):

[The Buddha:] And in that time of the people with an eighty-thousand-year life-span, there will arise in the world a Blessed Lord, an arahant fully enlightened Buddha named Metteyya, endowed with wisdom and conduct, a Well-farer, Knower of the worlds, incomparable Trainer of men to be tamed, Teacher of gods and humans, enlightened and blessed, just as I am now.

Muslim: 80000 years
The prophecies above about the coming of Maitreya are in the following books:
Chakkavatti Sinhnad Suttanta
Sacred Books of the East
Gospel of Buddha

The idea of 80,000 years is in the following book:
Cakkavatti-Sihanada Sutta

This is a Sri Lankan book, it is about philospohies and is not a valid book. Buddha did not live in Sri Lanka. Many of the philosophies in this book are questioned by people for their authenticity and validity.

If you read this book, you will see that it is not even written by Buddha or dictated by Buddha or even taught by Buddha. This is a story and not even a prophecy. If you can show such words coming out from the mouth of Buddha, I will accept them.

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